pedram: hey, dr. pedram and dr. sara backwith another adventure. hi doc! sara: hi! hi everybody!pedram: hello, hello! still we have a fun topic to talk about today because it has somethingto do with how we can kind of clean up our acts and what we can do on our end to avoidsome toxicity. itâ€™s been all over the news. there's a new study out on air pollutantsand autism. itâ€™s a hot topic and for us, there's a lot of lifestyle things that wecan get into. the study basically just came out 22,000 women, harvard study found 325of them who had a child with autism, they were twice as likely if they were subjectedto diesel pollutants and mercury to have an autistic child. it was a big study and itâ€™skind of turning a lot of heads and a lot of
people in the news are talking about it andso i thought that would be a fun one for us to be tackle today.sara: pedram, i love that you're calling this fun because a lot of people would not considerthis to be a fun topic but it could only be fun if i get to talk about it with you.pedram: fair enough. yeah. you know what the thing is, guys, life is serious. there's alot of mysterious stuff going on but if you know what to do, how to avoid things, howto kind of be preventative and predictive, things start changing in a very meaningfulway and thatâ€™s really where we want to hang our hat here is to avoid a lot of these toxinsand if you have them in your system, find ways to get them out and weâ€™re going totalk about those today.
sara: thatâ€™s right. i think this is so important.this came out of the nurseâ€™s health study, that gigantic study that you just mentionedwhere they're following 170,000 nurses over time. this is a subgroup that came out ofthe harvard school for public health, rigorous data. itâ€™s observational which means thatitâ€™s not the highest quality study but it certainly generates hypotheses and makes usvery concerned about these pollutants and what they're doing to the body. autism isjust one part of the puzzle. i think itâ€™s important to realize that this is relevantwhether you have children or not, whether autism is a concern or not.pedram: yeah, absolutely. look, just because it shakes out in autism for pregnant woman,it doesnâ€™t mean itâ€™s not going to shake
out into migraine headaches for a busy guyor whatever it is. environmental pollutants are wreaking havoc. we talked about this inour endocrine disruptor series and itâ€™s the same thing. if you have mercury runningaround your blood stream, itâ€™s not pretty. itâ€™s kind of an equal opportunity slayer,if you will. sara: exactly right. these are prisoners youwere talking about, keeping them in prison. all of these pollutants that they studiedare neurotoxins. they're not good for your brain. they're linked to autism which is oneof the easier things to study because itâ€™s got a very clear diagnosis but it can alsobe linked to many other neurological issues that you have. plus, i want people to rememberthat some of these pollutants such as mercury,
weâ€™re getting exposed to it every day anditâ€™s also an estrogen disruptor. itâ€™s a thyroid disruptor. it doesnâ€™t just affectthe brain. this is relevant, really, no matter your age, no matter your gender, whether youplan to have kids or not. pedram: thatâ€™s right. mercury is a big thing.we did a story last week or a week before talking about the brown cloud of mercury-infused,just gunk that comes over from china. itâ€™s almost like every time china exhales fromtheir cold plants, it comes over the pacific northwest, dumps, gets into our water supply,gets into our air and basically, is 8 to 20 times the mercury concentrations and itâ€™sjust nasty, nasty stuff. one of the keys that we walked away with on that topic was thereis not out there, out there anymore.
sara: thatâ€™s right.pedram: itâ€™s not like, â€œoh! thatâ€™s over in china.â€ you know, â€œthat doesnâ€™t affectus.â€ because weâ€™ve realized that the world is smaller than we thought and every timethere's any sort of environmental anything, anywhere, there's ripple effect, right? weâ€™regetting a lot of mercury coming over here like it or not. then we got to talk aboutexposure and limiting that exposure in some sort of meaningful way and then chelation,detoxification, whatever it is we can do on our end to avoid that. i know you and i havetalked about a prenatal medicine, algorithms, and what one would want to look at prior toeven considering conceiving, right? sara: yeah. thatâ€™s a good place to jumpin because i can tell you, pedram and for
our audience, i think itâ€™s important torealize that this is in your backyard. you just mentioned that brown cloud coming overfrom china. i had my own personal brown cloud because i happen to love sushi and i usedto have a medical office right next to a japanese restaurant. i would go there maybe two timesa week when i could get away from the charts. this was when i was practicing medicine andi was mercury toxic. i tested myself after having two kids and i was just like, â€œohmy god! did i affect their iq and the risk of autism by eating so much sushi?â€ it wasnâ€™tduring pregnancy. it was actually before pregnancy that i was eating the sushi but i tested afterwards.i can tell you, every time my kids kind of donâ€™t want to be social or donâ€™t wantto engage with, they donâ€™t have a best friend,
i start to think, â€œahhh, itâ€™s the mercury!â€mercury is really a key issue. i tell all of the women who are thinking about conceptionanytime in the future, that you should test your mercury. you should do what is calledthe provoked test. what we actually found, pedram, is that the bay area where i live,we have a serious crisis when it comes to mercury. i wrote about in my book, the hormonescure, i wrote about this dr. jane hightower, this was page 166 of my book, she tested allthe people who came to see her in her practice. she tested mercury levels for a year in allthe patients that came to see her, and she found a stunningly high rate of mercury toxicity.pedram: mmhmm (affirmative). sara: i just wanted to give maybe a practicaltip there for those people who are thinking
about conception but also, just to reallyunderstand that this could affect you. pedram: iâ€™d love to know what it is thatyou're talking with the provoked test because a lot of people asked and i think that weshould tease this out. thereâ€™s a lot of people doing hair analysis and all kinds oftests for heavy metals and mercury. what are you doing in your clinic and what are youfinding that itâ€™s kind of the most effective for diagnosing this if you would or findingit at least? sara: the gold standard is to do an iv provocationwhere you give a particular drug that makes you dump any mercury or other heavy metalsthat you have in your system. thatâ€™s what i always use in my practice. i would givean iv push of this particular medication and
then collect the urine for six hours afterwards.pedram: mmhmm (affirmative). sara: i have to tell you, a lot of peoplejust donâ€™t have the time or the energy for that and iâ€™ve simplified over the years.what i do now is actually send people to mercout, mercout.com.pedram: mmhmm (affirmative). sara: itâ€™s a really simple place where youtake a pill. you donâ€™t want to do it if you have a sulfa allergy or if you're pregnant.you take a pill and it provokes you to release mercury and then you collect your urine fortwo hours, send it off to the lab. it costs $79 or something like that. thatâ€™s whati recommend. what do you do in your practice? pedram: fantastic. we haven used mercout.we were using genovaâ€™s hair testing back
when i had hair. it made sense to do it onmyself. sara: you're supposed to get it from the backof the head. you still have hair there. pedram: yeah, exactly. technically, you getfrom seven spots so i think i might be able to find three. we look at that. itâ€™s kindof [inaudible 00:08:02] of a tree, then we started doing the provoked stuff as well thenit is challenging with edta and all that. we havenâ€™t done it clinically here. i'vebeen doing a lot of functional medicine stuff but as you know, i've been gone for a coupleof years making movies. now, weâ€™ve kind of opened up a prototype clinic to kind ofget back in and figure out some of these protocols for the new medicine if you will. i'm superexcited about doing this because when you
find that mercury man and youâ€™re able toget that out for somebody, itâ€™s like this fog, it just releases from their energy.sara: yes. pedram: all of a sudden, all sorts of complicatedarray of symptoms and rashes and mood disorders. thereâ€™s stuff i've seen go away as we pulledmercury out of people has been â€¦ itâ€™s miraculous really.sara: it is. you're totally right. i had two patients that i saw before our call today.one is a woman who is in her early 50s who have low sex drive in her marriage for about10 years. we found out after she's tried everything, coupleâ€™s therapy for years and years andyears, that it was mercury. pedram: mmhmm (affirmative).sara: when we got the mercury out, she had
a normal sex drive. i also had a guy who saidto me, â€œyou know, i'm used to doing two-hour workouts a day. i do really intense, explosivetype or exercise. i can't do it. i feel like i've got a moral failing.â€ we found in hiscase that he had too much mercury and that was why we couldnâ€™t sustain that level ofkind of athletic prowess. itâ€™s relevant. it comes up out in a lot of different ways.itâ€™s one of those great masqueraders. i would say pollutants such as mercury can showup in so many different ways, whether itâ€™s hair loss, weight gain, low energy, autism.right now, the center for disease control says 1 in 50 is diagnosed with autism andwe know the cdc, the center for disease control, is pretty conservative.pedram: mmhmm (affirmative).
sara: itâ€™s probably much higher than that.pedram: mmhmm (affirmative). thatâ€™s spectrum autism, somewhere on the spectrum of autism.yeah. what is it? four-fold, eight-fold, what it was 50 years ago and it keeps going upfrom there. at the risk of geeking out a little too much, maybe we should talk about realquickly why it is that something like mercury can wreak such havoc on the body. the thingis, look guys, the body has this homeostatic bounce. the body knows what to do with bugsand germs and different things that have been coming at it for millions of years, but thisuse of mercury on an industrial scale is something new. people werenâ€™t diving and dipping aroundin mercury all these years. mercury is something that we started usingin prosthesis, for creating circuit boards,
and burning coal fires, and all these things.in the evolutionary history of our species, all of a sudden itâ€™s just like, bah! thisstuff just shows and the body goes, â€œi donâ€™t know what to do with this so letâ€™s hideit over here, letâ€™s hide it over here,â€ and eventually, there's only so much you couldsweep under a rug. iâ€™d love for you to kind of get in to like binding sites and all that.at the risk of geeking out, like i said, i know you and i enjoy that, so people can understandwhy this happens. sara: sure. a few highlights. you're exactlyright. itâ€™s kind of the industrial age that led to us getting so exposed to mercury. oneof the things that shocked me was understanding that high-fructose corn syrup also uses mercury.thatâ€™s another way that you get exposed
and itâ€™s even more insidious because yourchildren get exposed. itâ€™s not just living in an urban area and how much diesel pollutantsyou get exposed to. itâ€™s also what are you eating, whatâ€™s in the food that you're eating.are you eating packaged foods that have high-fructose corn syrup or sodas or are you eating a morewhole foods diet? pedram: mmhmm (affirmative).sara: now, one of the things thatâ€™s interesting, since you know i love hormones and i loveto talk about hormones. we know that women who get exposed to heavy metals will storethose metals often in their bones. itâ€™s when they are past their peak bone mass, whichis usually around 35, that they start to get release some of those heavy metals that havebeen stored for a long time. mercury can start
to come out and lead. thatâ€™s one of thebinding sites that i think is important to recognize. the elephant in the room when itcomes to mercury, of course, is amalgams in the metal fillings that many of us had. ihad my share in high school even though i was a bit of a freak when it came to dentalhygiene. i had four. we know that the mercury is 50% of those metal amalgams that we got.when they become cracked and vapors start to release, mercury vapors starts gettingreleased, you get exposed to that. pedram: yeah.sara: there's so many different ways that you can get exposed to mercury. those aresome of the binding sites. you probably have some other comments you want to make aboutthat.
pedram: yeah. first of all, my wife is a dentistthen she's been really getting into the holistic dentistry stuff as sheâ€™s more and more ofthis literature out there. first, when it come out of dental school, itâ€™s like, â€œbah!come on.â€ sara: yeah.pedram: then you get out there and you start looking at the studies and you realize, â€œholdon a second. there's something about this.â€ if you do have amalgam in your mouth, itâ€™sreally important to have rubber dams in the proper extraction process because itâ€™s alot more dangerous at times. in the extraction process, as you start kind of bringing thestuff out and if it gets into the blood stream then also you have a mercury overload andthatâ€™s a huge problem, right? thatâ€™s become
something that itâ€™s a bit of an industrynow. i would say kind of in the holistic space, right? for preaching to the choir, everyoneknows what weâ€™re talking about but when you one step out of that congregation, everyoneis just shaking their heads and thatâ€™s the state of things in america. we talked aboutthis just a couple of days ago. itâ€™s like 80% of the traditional docs are kind of doing[inaudible 00:13:58] medicine like you said or kind of following those big pharma algorithmsand saying, â€œif this, then this drug.â€ iâ€™d say a good percentage of the wellnesspeople are kind of just out there saying, â€œwell, i used this for everything and itâ€™sa miracle drug,â€ and they're not looking at research. then there's this kind of smallhub of people that are really focusing and
i donâ€™t care if they're a chiropractor ora natural path, an md, a phd, a nutritionist, whatever it is, they're just looking at thedata and just being good scientist about this and really realizing that, â€œokay, there'sthis new emerging field of medicine and itâ€™s doing these things for people.â€sara: and thatâ€™s us. pedram: and thatâ€™s ussara: hi everybody! we wanted you to be with us.pedram: thatâ€™s right. join the family, weâ€™re here to help and thatâ€™s really kind of theplatform that weâ€™re going to hang on here. itâ€™s just what east meets west. you andi are friends. we get along great. youâ€™ve done the harvard stuff and the mit stuff andyouâ€™ve been doing all sorts of research
your whole life. i tracked the himalayas andhung with the dalai lama and did the eastern side and weâ€™ve met right in the middle.we can look eye to eye and have a good time talking about this because at the end of theday, we are physicians who care for our patients and thatâ€™s the only thing that matters.for us to then be able to have this dialog and still get through people, itâ€™s likethis isnâ€™t an eastern or a western alternative. there's no alternative. there's just goodmedicine that weâ€™re trying to tease out here and bring to you guys. i think thatâ€™skind of the platform where dr. sara and i are having a lot of fun because itâ€™s a breathof fresh air, if you will, being able to talk about this and tease out some of these stuffs.i guess the next thing is, okay, there's a
lot of people doing a lot of things.sara: wait. can i say one quick thing? pedram: of course.sara: if you're watching this, maybe you're watching on youtube or i donâ€™t know whereyou're finding this but if you're watching this, click like if you agree with what pedramjust said. click like. give us some comments. pedram: yeah. please do. weâ€™re doing thisfor you. weâ€™re actually going to be taking a lot of questions guys. they're startingto come in now and weâ€™re looking at those in terms of like show ideas and sneak in ananswer inside the shows and all that. weâ€™re here to help you guys and thatâ€™s why weâ€™retaking time. weâ€™re both busy as can be and this is valuable for us to do so itâ€™s valuablefor you to share it for you to get it out
to your people because at the end of the day,this was something that was missing. we decided to step up and really kind of fill that gapso that we can be of service, right? sara: right on.pedram: yeah. letâ€™s talk about solutions. look, you got a lot of people talking aboutthis and it wasnâ€™t just mercury by the way. i just want to be clear. there's lead, manganese,metal chloride, all sorts of metal exposure, right? mercury isnâ€™t the only â€¦ itâ€™sone of the usual suspects but there's just a bunch of junk thatâ€™s getting in thereand clogging up the bodyâ€™s ability to do what it needs to do which is move out toxins,move around hormones, turn food into energy and have us thrive, right? there's a lot ofpeople out there doing chelation, whether
it be iv or suppository or oral. personally,i've never and i donâ€™t know, doc, what your experience with this is. i've never seen oralchelation be particularly effective just because itâ€™s going to bypass the gi. itâ€™s a hardpill to swallow. no pun intended because there's too much for it to go through, right? iv tendsto be expensive. for some of this heavy metal chelation stuff,i know a lot of docs, natural docs do it. i've seen some good success with it, but itis expensive. if you're going in and get ivâ€™d up every week or so, it ends up costing alot and then weâ€™ve also played with the suppository format which works relativelywell but isnâ€™t well tolerated by the american audience. some people just donâ€™t like suppositories.itâ€™s tough to implement but itâ€™s important
to do so. i donâ€™t know how much of thatyouâ€™ve done in your clinical practice or what you recommend. iâ€™d love to hear it.sara: yeah. i've done pretty much everything and when i first realized that i was toxicin mercury, i've looked at the data and i decided to go with iv chelation with dmsa.i used â€¦ wait, hold on. pedram: [crosstalk 00:18:13]?sara: no. i did oral chelation with dmsa first. thatâ€™s what i did first. i found it so hard.it was super constipating. i wonâ€™t give you details, but oh my gosh! i was doing â€¦pedram: it sucks. sara: i was doing a pulse of three days andthen i would do 11 days off and then another three days. it was really hard on my system.i also tend to be challenged in terms of adrenal
function that a lot of people have troubleas they chelate because of adrenal function. then i actually tried mercout which is thedmps and these abbreviations may sound like greek to you but they basically to the chelatorthat you use. there's dmsa, dmps, edta, and then there's a few others that are less proven.i found that the dmps was actually very effective for me. i feel like, pedram, this was oneof those situations where weâ€™re moving toward personalized medicine. mark hyman talks abouthow a dmsa was just a life saver for him. pedram: mmhmm (affirmative).sara: it really made a difference with his mercury toxicity and yet, it was not effectivefor me. it may be that genetically, i'm better off with the dmps â€¦pedram: mmhmm (affirmative).
sara: â€¦ and not the dmsa. i'm sorry if thatâ€™sa whole lot of acronyms but i think i've actually had success with the oral treatment but ihad to go through â€¦ pedram: switch over.sara: â€¦ that experiment of trying the dmsa. it didnâ€™t work and then the dmps did workfor me. pedram: fascinating, fascinating. if we canget the oral treatment to work for more people, the delivery vehicle of choice obviously,people are used to taking pills, people are used to taking medicine in that way. peopledonâ€™t like needles. i can tell you that as an acupuncturist. people donâ€™t like needlesand again, if you got to go into the doctorâ€™s office and have to do the expensive stuffall the time of pushing and edta or whatever,
it adds up, right? letâ€™s face it. medicineainâ€™t cheap to begin with and weâ€™re trying to figure out how people can help themselvesin a way thatâ€™s cost effective and doesnâ€™t break the bank.sara: thatâ€™s right. i think itâ€™s also, i just want to say that i donâ€™t have anyfinancial ties to any of these companies that make these different products. i just foundthat mercout worked well for me and then i always tend to try things on myself beforei try them in my clients. itâ€™s worked very well for the past 10 years in my patient basetoo. no financial ties. they donâ€™t pay me to say this. i just wanted to mention thatas well. pedram: yeah. good idea. the disclosure onthis end, absolutely i have no idea who the
mercout people are other than the fact thattheyâ€™ve helped our people. right. yeah, no financial ties. weâ€™re not going to tellyou. actually, we should make a point of this if thereâ€™s anyone whoâ€™s a friend or whatever,if we ever have financial ties and i say, â€œhey, watch my movie,â€ thatâ€™s kind ofa given like, â€œpedramâ€™s probably going to make some money on that.â€ weâ€™re goingto be very clear about that in everything that we do so guys can just know that pedramand sara hanging out in you living room and talking and itâ€™s trustworthy here.sara: itâ€™s all about transparency and disclosure so i think thatâ€™s very important.pedram: yeah. absolutely. thereâ€™s a few ways to do this you guys. thereâ€™s some evidencethat what you eat will not be able to chelate
out some of this stuff. thatâ€™s why weâ€™vebeen talking about this because i could say, â€œgo eat vegetables for many things.â€ sometimes,when you talk about the heavy metals, thereâ€™s a challenge. i know we were just about zeolitesbefore. i just talked to a head biochemist at one of these zeolite manufacturing places.he's a very smart guy. now, theyâ€™re sending us all the white papers. what weâ€™re goingto do is weâ€™re going to look at it, guys. weâ€™re going to look at it, weâ€™re goingto see what this is, weâ€™re going to see if the science is cool, weâ€™re going to lookat some of the outcomes, and then maybe even do a couple mini clinical trials in our ownclinics or whatever to make sure this stuff works before we ever talk about it.there are certain promising things out there
that weâ€™re hoping work because like i said,china ainâ€™t stopping. the more shoes we buy from china, the more coal we can expectthem to burn to make it. thatâ€™s a whole other kind of macro-economic argument aboutmaybe simple fine life that we can talk about in another webisode here. at the end of theday, our consumer demand is driving this mercury into the air and into our bodies which isrendering us infertile or sick with migraines or even as the study suggests, generatingmore children with autism. itâ€™s a big topic. at the end of the day, we got to keep ourselvesclean. what are some basic lifestyle practices and i know you love that because itâ€™s howyou eat, drink supplement, basic lifestyle practices that you would recommend other thannot eating sushi three times a week.
sara: i still eat sushi. i just donâ€™t eattuna or some of the big fish. there are certain green-light fish that you can still eat. thingslike shrimp and crab and wild alaskan salmon. we always fine that wild alaskan salmon isthe answer to everything except maybe for vegans and vegetarians. iâ€™m a big fan oftaking care of your liver with your food. i think food is information. weâ€™ve talkedabout that before. the sort of foods that you can eat that help to keep the detoxificationpathways and your body working are really good for you. things like beets. can we talkabout beets for a moment? pedram: love beets.sara: beets are so good for you. they are very detoxifying. the supplement betaine comesfrom beets. thatâ€™s an important methylator.
methylation is a really good thing in thebody. you want more methylation. it helps you with detoxifying. as with everything,you can have too much or too little. you want to be in that goldilocks position of to havingjust the right amount of methylation. beets are really effective. i love green smoothies,green juices. i think for people who are struggling with getting exposed to pollutants. iâ€™ma big fan of cleansing every three to six months. thatâ€™s something that the ancientwisdom traditions really believed in, chinese medicine, ayurveda. i do it in my practice.i think itâ€™s really helpful. you want to clear out those detoxification pathways manyof which exist in your liver. pedram: absolutely. thereâ€™s a story â€¦ actually,i kind of saw a couple of patients in the
clinic this morning. i still do that now andagain. a young girl had a history of constipation since she was a very young girl. now, sheâ€™sgoing into college and we found out that she was gluten intolerant and had all sorts ofissues with gluten, comes back. i havenâ€™t seen her. sheâ€™s been in college [inaudible00:25:04] being constipated, havenâ€™t gone into the bathroom in almost two weeks, right?it immediately make me â€¦ if i donâ€™t go for a day and iâ€™m cranky, right/sara: yeah. pedram: two weeks of this stuff, right? istart getting â€¦ sara: i think itâ€™s great that we can talkabout poop on this show. pedram: absolutely. if you canâ€™t talk aboutpoop, youâ€™re missing 80% of what the body
is telling you. itâ€™s got to come out atthe tailpipe, right? thatâ€™s when you know how your metabolizing or processing, right?sara: yes. pedram: she saw all these people and so iget to the bottom of that and i go, â€œlook, i told you that cheese wasnâ€™t good for you,â€and sheâ€™s, â€œi just couldnâ€™t stop. i started to have goat cheese instead.â€ isaid, â€œwell, cheese is cheese well before gmo happen. the chinese were talking aboutit being [inaudible 00:25:47] and damp 5 or 6,000 years ago, pull off the cheese.â€ wedid a little bit of acupuncture, got things moving, and i said to her, â€œyou know,â€because she had gotten a recommendation for a colonic. i said, â€œthis is one of the fewtimes that i would say, â€˜yeah, absolutely
do it,â€™ because everything youâ€™ve takenfrom the top down isnâ€™t doing it so go for it.â€sara: yeah. pedram: does the colonic, loses 10 pounds.sara: oh my gosh. that was quite a colonic. pedram: yeah. that is 10 pounds. scared thecolonic out, right? i mean, 10 pounds, thatâ€™s a baby, right? loses 10 pounds and then basicallyhas never felt better in her life, right? we get her back, we get her going, and thecolonic gals like, â€œhey, come back, come back, come back.â€ i was like, â€œokay, slowdown.â€ what happen was she had this euphoria that came after this, no pun intended, dumpof all the bad stuff out of the body, right? the body clears all these stuff and then shehas this euphoric feeling that she wants to
go back to and i said, â€œah, classic buddhistdilemma.â€ that feeling that youâ€™re trying to go back to, thatâ€™s exactly what the buddhacalled suffering, right? youâ€™ll never going to feel that way and the problem with goingback to this kind of detox rituals where youâ€™re like, â€œi got to get a colonic. i feel sogood when i get colonic,â€ is it becomes addictive.if you havenâ€™t pooped in two weeks, iâ€™m all in, right? go get a colonic. i think youneed to get the plumbing fixed, right? this is the type of stuff that i see clinicallyall the time is people get into detox and then become detox addicts.sara: yes. there is such a thing as over detoxing. pedram: yes.sara: we donâ€™t want you to over detox. we
want you to detox just the right amount.pedram: thatâ€™s right. clear the body. let the body do it. the whole point is if youâ€™regiving your body another crutch, youâ€™re replacing crutches one for another, youâ€™recreating another dependency. what you want to do it empower the body to do what it doesnaturally on itâ€™s own, right? the problem with mercury stuff is that the body doesnâ€™tknow what to do with it. itâ€™s kind of new with these heavy metals. these arenâ€™t thingsthat our bodies have processed well for millions of years because they havenâ€™t been in theenvironment. we havenâ€™t been exposed to them.thatâ€™s where we got to step in and say, â€œokay, lets do a little bit of interventionand let the body kind of pick up where it
left off.â€ before talking about somethingso basic as eating a bagel and then not being able to pull it out, that is kind of basicgeneral physiology and you got to get in to the why of why the body stopped working there.sara: i hope our listeners are not eating a bagel or if its bagel, i hope itâ€™s likea gluten free, super chewy like dense grain bagel and iâ€™ve never seen that before.pedram: yeah. sara: you raised such an important point aboutconstipation. i wanted to make a couple of points about that. one is you talked aboutthese archaic algorithms that we learned in conventional medicine and weâ€™re not faultingthese doctors who are allopathic and conventional in their mind set because we train with them.we know exactly what they went through. itâ€™s
not ignorance, itâ€™s not malice, itâ€™s justkind of status quo. pedram: itâ€™s what we knew at that time.sara: whatâ€™s that? pedram: itâ€™s what we knew at that time kindof thing. sara: itâ€™s what we knew at that time. iwas trained as i imagine you were, pedram, that constipation is defined as going morethan three days without a bowel movement. yet in ayurveda, going back 6,000 years, theydefine constipation as going a day without a bowel movement. they believed that you shouldhave a bowel movement after every meal. if you look at the bacteria that theyâ€™re exposedto in india, that may make sense. our microbium is a little different.pedram: right. a lot of fiber, a lot of bacteria.
sara: a lot of fiber, a lot of bacteria. thatâ€™sgoing to be a future call that we do, i think, on the bium, the microbium. another importantpoint here is that when youâ€™re trying to get rid of mercury, when your body is tryingto use that innate intelligence and get the mercury out of your system or maybe youâ€™regoing through chelation like i did, if you are pooping once every three days, youâ€™regoing to be reabsorbing all the mercury in your gut. thatâ€™s not good either. itâ€™slike youâ€™re making really expensive poop and youâ€™re reabsorbing the mercury.pedram: mm-hmmm (affirmative). sara: itâ€™s so important to keep it moving.pedram: yeah. iâ€™m the same way. if youâ€™re not having two to three bowel movements aday, itâ€™s off. most people are happy to
get one in our culture. itâ€™s a product oflack of fiber for sure, lack of water, which is, i think, the western world is franklydehydrated and weâ€™re not eating enough vegetables [crosstalk 00:30:21].sara: where is you water? pedram: i left it in the other room so i gotto do 10 push ups for you right now. sara: give me 20.pedram: yeah, exactly. iâ€™m on a vitality challenge right now anyhow. iâ€™m doing 60adding 20 a day so iâ€™ll be up to 240 or 260 within a few weeks.sara: i love that. pedram: yeah, just add a little bit. itâ€™slike the old shaolin thing, right? they do a little corn stalk. they plant it and theyjump over it every day and then a year later
theyâ€™re jumping six feet, right? itâ€™sjust that incremental training that makes you strong. i subscribed to that wholly, right?sara: i love it. pedram: yeah.sara: i do 15 push ups before i get on the skype with you.pedram: fantastic. yeah. open up the breath. just to get the old chi flowing. yeah.sara: yes. pedram: fantastic. good. the long story shorthere is if youâ€™re not moving and if youâ€™re not taking fiber and water, youâ€™re not poopingwell, right? if youâ€™re not pooping well, thatâ€™s when â€¦ think of it this way. youâ€™vegot your garbage can thatâ€™s sitting in your kitchen and then you got the garbage outsideand you need to move the kitchen garbage to
the garbage outside. then when the garbagetruck comes, they take it all away and thatâ€™s the flow of things, right? thatâ€™s supposedto happen everyday in the body. letâ€™s consider the liver the garbage canin the kitchen. letâ€™s consider the garbage can outside as the big bowel, right? thenpooping is actually the garbage truck taking it away. if the garbage truck doesnâ€™t comeand take it way, then you donâ€™t have room to move stuff out of the kitchen. things startto back up, all of a sudden your kitchen starts to smell like trash and who want to eat there,right? what happens is everything starts to back up. the toxins load up. the body doesnâ€™tknow what to do with them. it starts to store them in the fat. it starts to go around messingwith your nervous system and your endocrine
system and all that. if you were to be ableto process and move through, youâ€™d have a healthy house and a clean kitchen all theway through, right? again, iâ€™m a big metaphor guy.sara: yes, you are and i love that metaphor, a+.pedram: thank you. that was on the fly, by the way.sara: very impressive. i was thinking, â€œokay, could we maybe try a compost version?â€ ihave to say you did a lovely job. pedram: thank you. if youâ€™re not pooping,you got trouble, right? thatâ€™s one of the things that, yes, you can chelate all youwant and all that but you got to get your fiber content, your water content up, andmove around the legs [inaudible 00:32:48].
you got to move around so the peristalsisis there. the bowel is working and moving and things are flowing. then at that point,toxicity and exposure toxicity is the issue, right? i was thinking of the guys, i rememberwhen i was cruising through thailand, the traffic cops all had masks on as theyâ€™restanding there. itâ€™s just like clouds of smoke that they just stood in all day. iâ€™mthinking, â€œman, that guy has got low-life expectancy. what a terrible job,â€ right?if you think about it, if youâ€™re walking through chicago or new york city or whereverelse and some truck just comes by and gases it and you get it all over and youâ€™re justlike, â€œoh, that stunk,â€ you might have momentary aversion to that but youâ€™ve justabsorbed a bunch of that diesel smoke.
right up here on this pin board i got withthe people in this study having a higher likelihood of having all sorts of things including autismfor your children. itâ€™s hard. you could run away to montana and hide in the sticksomewhere but thatâ€™s not a solution for people in the modern world. most of us livein cities so we have to learn how to deal with than.sara: thatâ€™s right. i think you expressed that so beautifully that thereâ€™s this thresholdthat you want to think about. when i heard this study yesterday, i actually came homeand got my air purifiers out and i started readying them in our house. i need to be moreconsistent about many of these things. many of us know what to do but weâ€™re not doingit. thereâ€™s a gap between the two and we
want to work to help you fill that gap.i think itâ€™s also important to realize that the body is designed to occasionally comeacross a toxin and not go into a crisis. i would put sugar in that category. you canhave a few bites of chocolate cake once in a while and itâ€™s not going to cost a lotof problems, insulin spikes and lead to prediabetes just from that one serving. itâ€™s more thatitâ€™s this exposure over time that leads to problems.pedram: mm-hmmm (affirmative). sara: we want to minimize what that exposureis but thereâ€™s a frequency and also kind of a dose component to these pollutants.pedram: guys, health usually is not something you think about until it starts to go away.thatâ€™s why the health and wellness demographic,
if you will, isnâ€™t a bunch of 20-year-olds.those guys are drinking beer, waking up after two hours and going to work, and their fineuntil theyâ€™re not. sara: theyâ€™re dancing on tables if weâ€™retalking about the girls. pedram: yes. theyâ€™re dancing on tables andgod bless them. you just wasted on the young and lot of ways and you donâ€™t know you gotuntil itâ€™s gone, right? usually, health becomes something you think about once youstart to like feel that light flicker at first, right? if youâ€™ve been exposed to all thesestuff and youâ€™re like, â€œiâ€™m fine, right?â€ yeah, but 10 years from now, 20 years fromnow, you might come up with something that might kind of throw you down and keep youdown for a while. the whole point is to not
get sick. thatâ€™s part of the whole messageof kind of vitalism versus mechanism is, yeah, youâ€™re body can take it but once you startdiminishing your vitality to the point where the bodyâ€™s systems can no longer supportbrushing things under the rug and kind of robbing peter to pay paul, then all of a suddenyou come down with leukemia. you come down with something crazy and thatâ€™s not cool,right? the whole point is, and this is apropos towhat weâ€™re talking about today, is people will often times not do stuff for themselvesbut if i hear that what iâ€™m doing might create a situation where my child is goingto be autistic, boy, iâ€™m paying attention, right? people will do it for the next generation.moms will do it for their babies. itâ€™s a
real kind of wake up call because weâ€™rewilling to kind of forego all that and say, â€œtheyâ€™ll come up with some sort of treatmentfor my illness and thatâ€™s what medicine does, but i wonâ€™t let that happen to mykid,â€ right? if people can treat their own bodies the way they would treat their childrenâ€™sbodies, i think their childrenâ€™s bodies will come out healthier from the get go.sara: beautifully stated. i have nothing to add. i just totally agree with that.pedram: cheers. i guess thatâ€™s the moral of todayâ€™s story is guys, take care of yourselves,stay clean. if you think that you might have been exposed to this, go find a natural doctorand figure out whether or not you have mercury exposure. does mercout take testing withoutdoctorâ€™s scripting? i donâ€™t know. we have
always done it through the clinic.sara: yeah. you can actually order it yourself as a consumer. you can go to mercout.com andyou can order this yourself. you donâ€™t need to have a doctor.pedram: fantastic. go get that and then go in to your doctor and say, â€œhey, this iswhat i got and iâ€™m concerned about it.â€ if they say, â€œbah humbug,â€ then you mightwant to look for a different doctor and find a good, natural, holistic-minded doctor inyour area that will look at that because look, the writings on the wall and itâ€™s just gettinguglier and uglier so itâ€™s worth knowing guys.sara: beautiful. pedram: doc, i think â€¦sara: [inaudible 00:37:51].
pedram: i think that does it for todayâ€™sshow. itâ€™s always great to see your smiling face and i look forward to our next one.sara: yeah. thanks, pedram. thanks everybody. super good show today. i appreciate it.pedram: see you next time. sara: bye.